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	<title>Comments on: From Ivy League to dead-end job</title>
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		<title>By: Katie, New York, New York</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-3306</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie, New York, New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just graduated in May, started work 1 month ago and will be looking for new jobs starting this weekend.  I work at a small company in a position I knew I did not want...but I did want the pay check.  My situation is different from yours in that this is a small company, so it is much easier to see what I could become if I stay.  

I suggest asking for more to do.  Then go out and look for a new position.  

And I agree that Ivy (or at least upper level university) does matter.  I know from personal experience that Brown is much better/responsive to sutdents than Boston University, and BU is way more responsive than Rutgets.  More money per student=more care.  

You&#039;re just not used to being insignificant.  Until you make director in a top company, don&#039;t expect much.

Work for what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just graduated in May, started work 1 month ago and will be looking for new jobs starting this weekend.  I work at a small company in a position I knew I did not want&#8230;but I did want the pay check.  My situation is different from yours in that this is a small company, so it is much easier to see what I could become if I stay.  </p>
<p>I suggest asking for more to do.  Then go out and look for a new position.  </p>
<p>And I agree that Ivy (or at least upper level university) does matter.  I know from personal experience that Brown is much better/responsive to sutdents than Boston University, and BU is way more responsive than Rutgets.  More money per student=more care.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re just not used to being insignificant.  Until you make director in a top company, don&#8217;t expect much.</p>
<p>Work for what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig, New York, NY</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-2360</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig, New York, NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the cultural advantages of obtaining an ivy league education, but I&#039;ve known students who have graduated from these schools who were in lousy jobs.  One has to consider what any ba/bs suggests about an individual&#039;s employability; an ivy league confers a certain amount of social capital but going there without previous connections might limit you.  And being a graduate student now, I attended a semi-selective university in New York City for undergrad.   I don&#039;t think anyone with less than a masters/doctorate these days will be taken seriously and the quality of schools today is undermined by too many students lazilly pursuing advanced degrees for their class cachet as opposed to having the requisite skills to survive in the office place, where most bohemian artsy-fartsy (not to condescend legitimate art)people will end up anyway.  Humanities professors are seriously out of touch with the &quot;real world,&quot; which they themselves never have to face.  There is a serious disconnect between the exegesis of Moliere&#039;s plays and having to type to alphabitize the filing cabinet.  I think you should suck up your McJob until you&#039;ve gleaned some serious skills, and not expect to be adored/adulated by your peers/colleagues on account of your school&#039;s status.  Ack, I want to rub your face in mud and pull you by your pig-tails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the cultural advantages of obtaining an ivy league education, but I&#8217;ve known students who have graduated from these schools who were in lousy jobs.  One has to consider what any ba/bs suggests about an individual&#8217;s employability; an ivy league confers a certain amount of social capital but going there without previous connections might limit you.  And being a graduate student now, I attended a semi-selective university in New York City for undergrad.   I don&#8217;t think anyone with less than a masters/doctorate these days will be taken seriously and the quality of schools today is undermined by too many students lazilly pursuing advanced degrees for their class cachet as opposed to having the requisite skills to survive in the office place, where most bohemian artsy-fartsy (not to condescend legitimate art)people will end up anyway.  Humanities professors are seriously out of touch with the &#8220;real world,&#8221; which they themselves never have to face.  There is a serious disconnect between the exegesis of Moliere&#8217;s plays and having to type to alphabitize the filing cabinet.  I think you should suck up your McJob until you&#8217;ve gleaned some serious skills, and not expect to be adored/adulated by your peers/colleagues on account of your school&#8217;s status.  Ack, I want to rub your face in mud and pull you by your pig-tails.</p>
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		<title>By: San Jose, California</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>San Jose, California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The job hopper is a non-issue.  6 out of 10 people leave their job every year now for one reason or another.  The boomers who were raised up and pushed forward by the global wave have no clue what they are talking about.

Face time won&#039;t help you gain anything of value and they will cut you in a second for no reason just to make the stocks look good.  They will also use you as cheap labor without promoting you since you are young. Wages are not rising in the US unless you count the super wealthy on top, which hold up the numbers.  The old timers can afford to suck it up because their wages and momentum were pre-2001.  

Now if they are training you and you are learning something stay, otherwise don&#039;t waste your time in a job that doesn&#039;t pay the bills and doesn’t invest in you.  If you can find another job it doesn’t matter, you can always leave this one off your resume.  No one will care.

If you want, think of it this way.  If you are a business you only operate if you are making a profit or have a real chance at making a profit.  If you see no chance in making a profit you must change direction.  If your job isn&#039;t going to afford the costs of maintaining your labor then you are working in insolvency.  You must move up or move out!  You cannot stay there, as it will emotionally crush you.  The old timers live in a different world, you don’t have the opportunities they did.

With globalization you don&#039;t have time to wait.  It&#039;s a massive run for the top before you are stuck on the bottom.  Think of it as a large wave and we are on the back end attempting to claw our way over the top of it right now.  The boomers were in the right place and right time riding it down like a surfer.  The next wave won&#039;t come from America, but outside from the ashes of a worldwide underclass.  You must move quickly or you will be left behind and stuck on the bottom.

Good luck.  All the GenX and beyond need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The job hopper is a non-issue.  6 out of 10 people leave their job every year now for one reason or another.  The boomers who were raised up and pushed forward by the global wave have no clue what they are talking about.</p>
<p>Face time won&#8217;t help you gain anything of value and they will cut you in a second for no reason just to make the stocks look good.  They will also use you as cheap labor without promoting you since you are young. Wages are not rising in the US unless you count the super wealthy on top, which hold up the numbers.  The old timers can afford to suck it up because their wages and momentum were pre-2001.  </p>
<p>Now if they are training you and you are learning something stay, otherwise don&#8217;t waste your time in a job that doesn&#8217;t pay the bills and doesn’t invest in you.  If you can find another job it doesn’t matter, you can always leave this one off your resume.  No one will care.</p>
<p>If you want, think of it this way.  If you are a business you only operate if you are making a profit or have a real chance at making a profit.  If you see no chance in making a profit you must change direction.  If your job isn&#8217;t going to afford the costs of maintaining your labor then you are working in insolvency.  You must move up or move out!  You cannot stay there, as it will emotionally crush you.  The old timers live in a different world, you don’t have the opportunities they did.</p>
<p>With globalization you don&#8217;t have time to wait.  It&#8217;s a massive run for the top before you are stuck on the bottom.  Think of it as a large wave and we are on the back end attempting to claw our way over the top of it right now.  The boomers were in the right place and right time riding it down like a surfer.  The next wave won&#8217;t come from America, but outside from the ashes of a worldwide underclass.  You must move quickly or you will be left behind and stuck on the bottom.</p>
<p>Good luck.  All the GenX and beyond need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Haynes, Princeton, NJ</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1494</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne Haynes, Princeton, NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, 

It takes longer than 3 months in a large corporation with the changes that occur daily to know the key players.  What some MBA new grads possibly do not realize is that if you do not make it to VP level by 35 you are not taken seriously.  It is a whole new game of making &quot;A&#039;s&quot; and new hires should look at this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, </p>
<p>It takes longer than 3 months in a large corporation with the changes that occur daily to know the key players.  What some MBA new grads possibly do not realize is that if you do not make it to VP level by 35 you are not taken seriously.  It is a whole new game of making &#8220;A&#8217;s&#8221; and new hires should look at this way.</p>
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		<title>By: JEH, San Francisco, CA</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>JEH, San Francisco, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the previous poster made a great point. I work with lots of brilliant younger people who don&#039;t meet deadlines, catch typos, or work quickly enough for the client - ESPECIALLY when they are doing routine work. Missing the details and “easy lay-ups” puts a huge cloud over the creativity and innovation you can offer. If you are giving the impression that you haven&#039;t mastered or are too bored for the routine basics, you&#039;ll be stalled in your career indefinitley. People who have buckled down and moved up the ladder before you aren&#039;t going to let you skip steps - its human nature no matter where you go. But the fact that you are concerned and conscientious enough to ask for an outside opinion probably means you will do very well in the long run. And if you have mastered the basics, just give it a little more time, it will be noticed. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the previous poster made a great point. I work with lots of brilliant younger people who don&#8217;t meet deadlines, catch typos, or work quickly enough for the client &#8211; ESPECIALLY when they are doing routine work. Missing the details and “easy lay-ups” puts a huge cloud over the creativity and innovation you can offer. If you are giving the impression that you haven&#8217;t mastered or are too bored for the routine basics, you&#8217;ll be stalled in your career indefinitley. People who have buckled down and moved up the ladder before you aren&#8217;t going to let you skip steps &#8211; its human nature no matter where you go. But the fact that you are concerned and conscientious enough to ask for an outside opinion probably means you will do very well in the long run. And if you have mastered the basics, just give it a little more time, it will be noticed. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle, MN</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1431</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle, MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you have achieved in college will count. That may not be now. I graduated two years ago, now at my second position in the same company. Companies do not want job-hoppers, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with mastering certain skills quicker and &quot;hopping&quot; to the next. However, you bear the risk and responsibility to express that loud and clear on your resume and to interviewers. But first, to your current manager. Maybe there were bigger things in your current tasks that he/she wanted you to get out of, but yet, most of us 20-somethings can’t see. Ask for his/her help! Not asking for better tasks. Those seemingly better tasks are better because someone made them so before we joined. Most likely, those are the people working at them now. 

Although us Gen Y&#039;s classify ourselves as the innovative, tech savvy and fast-pace bunch, patience and attention to detail are rudimentary skills most of us lack. Master those. Then our true strength will speak for itself. We would have an easier time switching out of the college mode to a real life mode, if our boss explained the “why” behind the boring tasks. Can’t blame him/her for not explaining when we didn’t ask the question either. 

In my view, the key issue you are facing is not if you should change positions. It&#039;s more of how to adapt to a different type of learning required of beginners for life. Talk to your boss, talk to your co-workers...Everyone knows the best is not to complain. But if you don&#039;t know how to say it in a positive tone, complain. Why not! You are learning. A good boss will understand and will show you how to express in more positive tones over time. If it backfired at you, that would be a darn good reason to quit! Quit bad managers, but don’t quit jobs…when those jobs are better than when you joined, you’re ready to take on more tasks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you have achieved in college will count. That may not be now. I graduated two years ago, now at my second position in the same company. Companies do not want job-hoppers, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with mastering certain skills quicker and &#8220;hopping&#8221; to the next. However, you bear the risk and responsibility to express that loud and clear on your resume and to interviewers. But first, to your current manager. Maybe there were bigger things in your current tasks that he/she wanted you to get out of, but yet, most of us 20-somethings can’t see. Ask for his/her help! Not asking for better tasks. Those seemingly better tasks are better because someone made them so before we joined. Most likely, those are the people working at them now. </p>
<p>Although us Gen Y&#8217;s classify ourselves as the innovative, tech savvy and fast-pace bunch, patience and attention to detail are rudimentary skills most of us lack. Master those. Then our true strength will speak for itself. We would have an easier time switching out of the college mode to a real life mode, if our boss explained the “why” behind the boring tasks. Can’t blame him/her for not explaining when we didn’t ask the question either. </p>
<p>In my view, the key issue you are facing is not if you should change positions. It&#8217;s more of how to adapt to a different type of learning required of beginners for life. Talk to your boss, talk to your co-workers&#8230;Everyone knows the best is not to complain. But if you don&#8217;t know how to say it in a positive tone, complain. Why not! You are learning. A good boss will understand and will show you how to express in more positive tones over time. If it backfired at you, that would be a darn good reason to quit! Quit bad managers, but don’t quit jobs…when those jobs are better than when you joined, you’re ready to take on more tasks.</p>
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		<title>By: LEB, Austin, TX</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>LEB, Austin, TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with starting in a bottom-of-the-barrel job, no matter how large the company, is that your salary and position will always be limited. You can&#039;t &quot;work your way up from the mailroom&quot; anymore... at least not at large companies. It might be possible if you get in with a small company that soon experiences rapid growth, but in most companies, the chances of an employee who was hired at $25,000 becoming a six-digit-plus employee at the same company are infinitesimally small.

The Boomer generation prides itself on working up from the mailroom, because in their day that was possible. My own uncle LITERALLY started in the mailroom  and wound up an executive (with no college degree, by the way). Yes, hard work and company loyalty was rewarded there for a while, but look where it got the Boomers once the Information Age began... downsizing, layoffs,  and busted retirement plans from the end of pensions and now-worthless company stocks. These days, the best a mailroom clerk can hope for is to become mailroom supervisor. That&#039;s it. He/she is never going to get anywhere near executive.

Long story short, it&#039;s a new era, and if a job is beneath your education, ability, and experience, you have every right to seek out better. You have every right NOT to settle. The only person who is 100% invested in your career is YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with starting in a bottom-of-the-barrel job, no matter how large the company, is that your salary and position will always be limited. You can&#8217;t &#8220;work your way up from the mailroom&#8221; anymore&#8230; at least not at large companies. It might be possible if you get in with a small company that soon experiences rapid growth, but in most companies, the chances of an employee who was hired at $25,000 becoming a six-digit-plus employee at the same company are infinitesimally small.</p>
<p>The Boomer generation prides itself on working up from the mailroom, because in their day that was possible. My own uncle LITERALLY started in the mailroom  and wound up an executive (with no college degree, by the way). Yes, hard work and company loyalty was rewarded there for a while, but look where it got the Boomers once the Information Age began&#8230; downsizing, layoffs,  and busted retirement plans from the end of pensions and now-worthless company stocks. These days, the best a mailroom clerk can hope for is to become mailroom supervisor. That&#8217;s it. He/she is never going to get anywhere near executive.</p>
<p>Long story short, it&#8217;s a new era, and if a job is beneath your education, ability, and experience, you have every right to seek out better. You have every right NOT to settle. The only person who is 100% invested in your career is YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Yadgyu, Harkeyville, TX</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>Yadgyu, Harkeyville, TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not listen to these people!

Most of the people telling you to suck it up are working low paying, high stress, and/or boring jobs that mean little or nothing to the company. These people are one stock plunge away from being jobless. If you want to get that awesome job, you are going to have to quit working at the company that you are working for.

You did not graduate from an Ivy League school just to be doing the same job as the dufus who went to State U and graduated with a 2.2 GPA. You are elite. You are better than those that went to lesser schools. You deserve special treatment, a generous salary, sexy co-workers, and stimulating work. If a company cannot satisfy you, cut all ties now and move to a company where the big dogs roam.

The older generation says get what you can and be happy with it. Forget that. Risk everything that you have so that you can acheive optimal success in life. Do not play it safe and complain like the other posters here. They do not like what they do but at the same time, they do not want other people, especially younger people, to achieve greatness rapidly. These people are jealous of the young, rich, sexy, and successful in life. They think that you should have to wait until you are 80 years old to be rich. 

Get rich now. The money is waiting for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not listen to these people!</p>
<p>Most of the people telling you to suck it up are working low paying, high stress, and/or boring jobs that mean little or nothing to the company. These people are one stock plunge away from being jobless. If you want to get that awesome job, you are going to have to quit working at the company that you are working for.</p>
<p>You did not graduate from an Ivy League school just to be doing the same job as the dufus who went to State U and graduated with a 2.2 GPA. You are elite. You are better than those that went to lesser schools. You deserve special treatment, a generous salary, sexy co-workers, and stimulating work. If a company cannot satisfy you, cut all ties now and move to a company where the big dogs roam.</p>
<p>The older generation says get what you can and be happy with it. Forget that. Risk everything that you have so that you can acheive optimal success in life. Do not play it safe and complain like the other posters here. They do not like what they do but at the same time, they do not want other people, especially younger people, to achieve greatness rapidly. These people are jealous of the young, rich, sexy, and successful in life. They think that you should have to wait until you are 80 years old to be rich. </p>
<p>Get rich now. The money is waiting for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian, Annapolis, MD</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1417</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian, Annapolis, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did this start that older people assumed younger people were all spoon fed whiners? As a supposed spoon fed whiner myself I echo some of the same sentiments as our lacrosse playing friend. However, three months isn&#039;t much time to be given meaningful work. What I would tell this guy is to ask if what he is contributing toward is meaningful, or is it just more documents and paper. If its the latter, BAIL. If the former, stick it out.

Also, as an aside, young people have no compunction about leaving a job after a short stint. They grew up watching their parents get downsized, pensions taken, and generally dragged through the mud to support their families by these very same companies.  

In my eyes, having a random &quot;office job&quot; is a 21st century version of being factory worker. Mind numbing and meaningless. A bachelor&#039;s degree is the HS diploma of yesteryear, and the graduate degree is the new measuring stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did this start that older people assumed younger people were all spoon fed whiners? As a supposed spoon fed whiner myself I echo some of the same sentiments as our lacrosse playing friend. However, three months isn&#8217;t much time to be given meaningful work. What I would tell this guy is to ask if what he is contributing toward is meaningful, or is it just more documents and paper. If its the latter, BAIL. If the former, stick it out.</p>
<p>Also, as an aside, young people have no compunction about leaving a job after a short stint. They grew up watching their parents get downsized, pensions taken, and generally dragged through the mud to support their families by these very same companies.  </p>
<p>In my eyes, having a random &#8220;office job&#8221; is a 21st century version of being factory worker. Mind numbing and meaningless. A bachelor&#8217;s degree is the HS diploma of yesteryear, and the graduate degree is the new measuring stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Srihari, Sunnyvale, CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srihari, Sunnyvale, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t think that this &quot;job hopper&quot; thing will hold on for a long time, what with unsatisfied employees moving a lot, I do think that you should take some initiative. 

If your initiative is quelled, walk out or hop out. A career is more important than what some recruiter might think. If your initiative is rewarded, there you go, that&#039;s what was lacking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think that this &#8220;job hopper&#8221; thing will hold on for a long time, what with unsatisfied employees moving a lot, I do think that you should take some initiative. </p>
<p>If your initiative is quelled, walk out or hop out. A career is more important than what some recruiter might think. If your initiative is rewarded, there you go, that&#8217;s what was lacking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Schneider, Greenacres, Florida</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schneider, Greenacres, Florida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My advice to the recent Ivy League grad is to begin looking elsewhere.

Anne Fisher&#039;s comments were on the money. And yes, should try to stick it out for at least a year. 

But there is a flip side. If a company lacks the wisdom to properly train and orient an employee and allows a bright and enthusiastic new hire to languish (and under utilize someone who can add value to the company), they are undervaluing the new hire.

Ultimately, you can&#039;t leave it to others to dictate your fate. If your current employer doesn&#039;t value your skill set, you owe it to yourself to find a company that does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My advice to the recent Ivy League grad is to begin looking elsewhere.</p>
<p>Anne Fisher&#8217;s comments were on the money. And yes, should try to stick it out for at least a year. </p>
<p>But there is a flip side. If a company lacks the wisdom to properly train and orient an employee and allows a bright and enthusiastic new hire to languish (and under utilize someone who can add value to the company), they are undervaluing the new hire.</p>
<p>Ultimately, you can&#8217;t leave it to others to dictate your fate. If your current employer doesn&#8217;t value your skill set, you owe it to yourself to find a company that does.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Smith, Lautoka, Fiji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Smith, Lautoka, Fiji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie had good views.

In 3 months you dont even learn the name of the person sitting three desks over.

Give it a while longer. you are already in a F500 company make it happen.

Network and learn what makes your company and department tick.

Grades from school get you in the door and after that they count for little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie had good views.</p>
<p>In 3 months you dont even learn the name of the person sitting three desks over.</p>
<p>Give it a while longer. you are already in a F500 company make it happen.</p>
<p>Network and learn what makes your company and department tick.</p>
<p>Grades from school get you in the door and after that they count for little.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny, San Jose, CA</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny, San Jose, CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usually the larger the company, the slower the climb up and the more overstaffed the company.  I went to a top-ranked university and started at a gigantic company where people were possessive of even their routine tasks!  Going to a smaller company or startup is one way to get more interesting work.  HOWEVER, a lot of the startups like to see experience at a Fortune 500 company since those are the companies they seek to emulate.  From that perspective it might be worthwhile to stick it out for 2 years, use the brand name of your company to network, and find a better position in a smaller company.  Other avenues to more interesting work might be consulting (earliest you can set up is probably late 20s to early 30s), starting your own business, and of course academics.

Don&#039;t worry about the people who are calling you a whiner.  But do take some time to realize that creativity and innovation are a very small part of the real world.  Even in creative fields like advertising, repetition and consistency make up the majority of the jobs.  The world can only change so fast--so much for thinking outside the box!  ALSO, you are learning a lot in a far less conscious manner than you were used to in school, so don&#039;t feel like you&#039;re wasting your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually the larger the company, the slower the climb up and the more overstaffed the company.  I went to a top-ranked university and started at a gigantic company where people were possessive of even their routine tasks!  Going to a smaller company or startup is one way to get more interesting work.  HOWEVER, a lot of the startups like to see experience at a Fortune 500 company since those are the companies they seek to emulate.  From that perspective it might be worthwhile to stick it out for 2 years, use the brand name of your company to network, and find a better position in a smaller company.  Other avenues to more interesting work might be consulting (earliest you can set up is probably late 20s to early 30s), starting your own business, and of course academics.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the people who are calling you a whiner.  But do take some time to realize that creativity and innovation are a very small part of the real world.  Even in creative fields like advertising, repetition and consistency make up the majority of the jobs.  The world can only change so fast&#8211;so much for thinking outside the box!  ALSO, you are learning a lot in a far less conscious manner than you were used to in school, so don&#8217;t feel like you&#8217;re wasting your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine B, Albuquerque NM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine B, Albuquerque NM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Innovate your current job, make things faster, easier, better. Ask for more to do. Hook up with a mentor within the company. Show ambition, enthusiasm, and leave the Ivy home. Show interest in the company, your coworkers and superiors. Treat everyone well, even the janitor. Never complain. Put a sock in your desk drawer to remind yourself to stuff it when you want to complain. Smile, help anyone who needs it, and enjoy your job. Give it a year, and if you truly do not see a light, talk to a counselor before you make a move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Innovate your current job, make things faster, easier, better. Ask for more to do. Hook up with a mentor within the company. Show ambition, enthusiasm, and leave the Ivy home. Show interest in the company, your coworkers and superiors. Treat everyone well, even the janitor. Never complain. Put a sock in your desk drawer to remind yourself to stuff it when you want to complain. Smile, help anyone who needs it, and enjoy your job. Give it a year, and if you truly do not see a light, talk to a counselor before you make a move.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim, Union MO</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim, Union MO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is telling of our current economy, people between 35-up (old folks) and 34-younger (new kid on the block) are two totally different animals.

The old folks think that you have to forgo a life and satisfaction to get ahead (there definition of success).  This new kid definition is work that fulfills him.  Most big companies are not geared toward that mentality, the new kids careers are not to shoot up like a rocket to the moon and suffer the extra g’s, but ride the waves on a sail boat and enjoy the ride.   I am 41 and I am in computers and I was on that rocket, and it seldom gets to the attended destination.  

I just wish I was smart as the new kids today and enjoyed the ride more.

So, quit the job and take the next boat.  It may be the best ride of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is telling of our current economy, people between 35-up (old folks) and 34-younger (new kid on the block) are two totally different animals.</p>
<p>The old folks think that you have to forgo a life and satisfaction to get ahead (there definition of success).  This new kid definition is work that fulfills him.  Most big companies are not geared toward that mentality, the new kids careers are not to shoot up like a rocket to the moon and suffer the extra g’s, but ride the waves on a sail boat and enjoy the ride.   I am 41 and I am in computers and I was on that rocket, and it seldom gets to the attended destination.  </p>
<p>I just wish I was smart as the new kids today and enjoyed the ride more.</p>
<p>So, quit the job and take the next boat.  It may be the best ride of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Shafer, Honolulu, HI</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Shafer, Honolulu, HI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are definitely getting a lot of advice on this topic, and not everyone agrees.  That is not surprising since everyone’s advice will be from his or her perspective and experience.  So you will get different advice from a young entrepreneur versus a corporate executive versus an older low-level manager.  All of these viewpoints are important, and they all give you insight into the challenges you face in your career.

Based on your question, I’m going to assume your career goals include becoming a corporate executive.  If that is not the case, then you should leave this job and pursue one that will get you on the right track.  If my assumption is correct, then you should stay.  Your in.  You have a job at a company that you wanted to work for.  That’s half the battle.  Now you just have to navigate your way through the organization to get to where you want to go.

I will share with you two examples.  I started out of college working for one of the largest companies in the world.  I was on a training program.  My division was installing new distribution centers and needed everyone in the program to help.  We spent months working in the warehouse.  Dirty, backbreaking work.  A co-worker complained about the work he was doing.  “I went to college to do this?” he would say.  Months later when the company had to reorganize and downsize, he was let go.  Because of that past warehouse experience, I was later promoted to manage one of the DCs, which then kicked off a series of promotions.  I now have a great six-figure position running my own district and a work history I am proud of.

My second example involves another person on the same training program I was on.  He was disciplined and driven.  He also had to do his fair share in the warehouse and other non-exciting work.  But he found mentors quickly in his career.  People who were on the “fast-track”, but not top executives yet.  He learned a great deal from them.  He delivered on every assignment.  He was willing to move anywhere in the world for assignments that would help him grow.  Now he is a Division President, and a future CEO (in my opinion).  Yet, he started at the bottom with the rest of us.

Bottom line:  There is a fast-track in every organization, it’s up to you to get yourself on it.  With hard work, good mentors, successful assignments, and a little luck, you can find that track in your current organization.  Best of luck on your quest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are definitely getting a lot of advice on this topic, and not everyone agrees.  That is not surprising since everyone’s advice will be from his or her perspective and experience.  So you will get different advice from a young entrepreneur versus a corporate executive versus an older low-level manager.  All of these viewpoints are important, and they all give you insight into the challenges you face in your career.</p>
<p>Based on your question, I’m going to assume your career goals include becoming a corporate executive.  If that is not the case, then you should leave this job and pursue one that will get you on the right track.  If my assumption is correct, then you should stay.  Your in.  You have a job at a company that you wanted to work for.  That’s half the battle.  Now you just have to navigate your way through the organization to get to where you want to go.</p>
<p>I will share with you two examples.  I started out of college working for one of the largest companies in the world.  I was on a training program.  My division was installing new distribution centers and needed everyone in the program to help.  We spent months working in the warehouse.  Dirty, backbreaking work.  A co-worker complained about the work he was doing.  “I went to college to do this?” he would say.  Months later when the company had to reorganize and downsize, he was let go.  Because of that past warehouse experience, I was later promoted to manage one of the DCs, which then kicked off a series of promotions.  I now have a great six-figure position running my own district and a work history I am proud of.</p>
<p>My second example involves another person on the same training program I was on.  He was disciplined and driven.  He also had to do his fair share in the warehouse and other non-exciting work.  But he found mentors quickly in his career.  People who were on the “fast-track”, but not top executives yet.  He learned a great deal from them.  He delivered on every assignment.  He was willing to move anywhere in the world for assignments that would help him grow.  Now he is a Division President, and a future CEO (in my opinion).  Yet, he started at the bottom with the rest of us.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  There is a fast-track in every organization, it’s up to you to get yourself on it.  With hard work, good mentors, successful assignments, and a little luck, you can find that track in your current organization.  Best of luck on your quest.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian, Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian, Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Job hopping DOES matter.  As a long time recruiter I can tell you that there was a time that it was accepted but that day has passed.  Companies are vary wary of someone with &#039;5 jobs in two years&#039; like a previous poster.  It WILL eventually catch up to them.  I am conducting a current search for a junior level person and the company told me not to bother sending anyone who didn&#039;t stay 2 years on their first job.   That said, the first few years of your career can be the jumping off point for a great start or for mediocrity for quite a while.  The advice already given regarding taking on more work, etc is very good.  MAKE it happen, don&#039;t wait for it to happen to you - you could wait forever.  On the other hand, some patience is required.  3 months is NOT long enough to give up on a large company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Job hopping DOES matter.  As a long time recruiter I can tell you that there was a time that it was accepted but that day has passed.  Companies are vary wary of someone with &#8216;5 jobs in two years&#8217; like a previous poster.  It WILL eventually catch up to them.  I am conducting a current search for a junior level person and the company told me not to bother sending anyone who didn&#8217;t stay 2 years on their first job.   That said, the first few years of your career can be the jumping off point for a great start or for mediocrity for quite a while.  The advice already given regarding taking on more work, etc is very good.  MAKE it happen, don&#8217;t wait for it to happen to you &#8211; you could wait forever.  On the other hand, some patience is required.  3 months is NOT long enough to give up on a large company.</p>
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		<title>By: St. Petersburg, FL</title>
		<link>http://askannie.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2007/08/20/from-ivy-league-to-dead-end-job/#comment-1407</link>
		<dc:creator>St. Petersburg, FL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Sam could use your help. There are never enough Ivy Leaguers in the US Military. Call your nearest Recruiting Station!

Serve your country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Sam could use your help. There are never enough Ivy Leaguers in the US Military. Call your nearest Recruiting Station!</p>
<p>Serve your country!</p>
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		<title>By: Meg, San Jose CA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg, San Jose CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a young person, I heard this same criticism from my parents.   While finishing my senior year at a top ranked school, I turned down several offers, and then left my first company after 6 months and the second after a year. With that experience, I found the right location, job, personal life balance, etc…and now I’m making almost $30,000 more a year and have a clear path towards my professional goals.  You CAN leave a job if you have the right reasons, are prepared to address questions fairly and honestly, and take everything you have learned and apply it.  My experiences have built on each other and I have much more knowledge, maturity, and credibility than most of my similar-aged peers.  It is certainly possible to learn it all at one great company, but not impossible to learn it at a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young person, I heard this same criticism from my parents.   While finishing my senior year at a top ranked school, I turned down several offers, and then left my first company after 6 months and the second after a year. With that experience, I found the right location, job, personal life balance, etc…and now I’m making almost $30,000 more a year and have a clear path towards my professional goals.  You CAN leave a job if you have the right reasons, are prepared to address questions fairly and honestly, and take everything you have learned and apply it.  My experiences have built on each other and I have much more knowledge, maturity, and credibility than most of my similar-aged peers.  It is certainly possible to learn it all at one great company, but not impossible to learn it at a few.</p>
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		<title>By: Embarassed GenYer, NY, NY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Embarassed GenYer, NY, NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m 24 and quite frankly I’m sick of the way my generation has acted as they storm the workforce.  I feel like every day I read stories about people crying when their boss doesn’t like their work (Learn spell check!  Check formulas!) and walking around in flip flops with their iPods on (Dress for the job you want, not the one you have!  Leave the damn iPod on your desk!). Please stop whining about your “dead end” job and get off your rear and do something about it.  You “always found ways to stand out from the crowd” before so why stop now?  What does being the captain of the lacrosse team mean now?  It means that you should be able to take the strategy you used on the field to figure out a way around the other players to the goal.  I’ve held two jobs since graduating three years ago.  In my first job I did some pretty mind-numbing work creating the same reports day after day.  Not much of a way to make an impact right?  Wrong.  I took the only asset I had and found a way to improve it.  I changed the format to make the reports easier for the client to read.  I learned some advanced Excel skills to automate the reports so that I spent an hour a day doing them instead of nine.  The results?  My client loved my boss for providing better reports and my boss loved me for making her look good.  I had more time to help out on other tasks, further alleviating my boss’s workload.  She loved me even more.  Soon those tasks were my responsibility as well.  All that extra responsibility?  To my boss and her superiors that equaled a promotion.  Sure it took a year and a half (six months shorter than it took most people, by the way), but a year and a half after that I took that senior position and used it and my experience to get an even more senior position at another company.  So where am I three years later?  I’m managing people like you – my own peers – who are creating the same mind-numbing reports, but who can’t see where it will ever get them.  Start small.  Make a difference where you can.  Make your boss’s job easier for them!  Stop complaining about how your job doesn’t meet expectations (and maybe reread the job description and readjust those expectations to be more accurate).  And please, stop making our generation look so damn pathetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m 24 and quite frankly I’m sick of the way my generation has acted as they storm the workforce.  I feel like every day I read stories about people crying when their boss doesn’t like their work (Learn spell check!  Check formulas!) and walking around in flip flops with their iPods on (Dress for the job you want, not the one you have!  Leave the damn iPod on your desk!). Please stop whining about your “dead end” job and get off your rear and do something about it.  You “always found ways to stand out from the crowd” before so why stop now?  What does being the captain of the lacrosse team mean now?  It means that you should be able to take the strategy you used on the field to figure out a way around the other players to the goal.  I’ve held two jobs since graduating three years ago.  In my first job I did some pretty mind-numbing work creating the same reports day after day.  Not much of a way to make an impact right?  Wrong.  I took the only asset I had and found a way to improve it.  I changed the format to make the reports easier for the client to read.  I learned some advanced Excel skills to automate the reports so that I spent an hour a day doing them instead of nine.  The results?  My client loved my boss for providing better reports and my boss loved me for making her look good.  I had more time to help out on other tasks, further alleviating my boss’s workload.  She loved me even more.  Soon those tasks were my responsibility as well.  All that extra responsibility?  To my boss and her superiors that equaled a promotion.  Sure it took a year and a half (six months shorter than it took most people, by the way), but a year and a half after that I took that senior position and used it and my experience to get an even more senior position at another company.  So where am I three years later?  I’m managing people like you – my own peers – who are creating the same mind-numbing reports, but who can’t see where it will ever get them.  Start small.  Make a difference where you can.  Make your boss’s job easier for them!  Stop complaining about how your job doesn’t meet expectations (and maybe reread the job description and readjust those expectations to be more accurate).  And please, stop making our generation look so damn pathetic!</p>
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